true, but then again, the suit was designed in 1949, and published in 1950, so they didn't really know what exactly would be required of such a suit, but they did get pretty close with their design.
What exactly are you looking for? Some background/context/fictional universe information is essential. Otherwise it might just be tentacles all the way down.
precisely that! I have the basics of the war of the worlds, mars deemed unlivable by its inhabitants, so they migrate to earth, or at least the moon as a recon mission. Its the why and the history of their race thats got me stumped, I've got the selenites down, but I can't seem to get the martians nailed
I recommend a simple or advanced google search on mars or martian and shlock. I am fairly confident you will find what you are looking for.
I'll have a look, and see what I can find, perhaps ye can ponder some ideas if I'm unable to find any?
Fine by me, if you're comfortable with consulting by a wacko aerospace engineer
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been doing that anyway on a discord server, I got a thread with over 4000 messages of just rambling about it. Scientific and Engineering accuracy (well, at least for the period anyway) is paramount in my mind, so I'm completely fine with thatFine by me, if you're comfortable with consulting by a wacko aerospace engineer
Indeed,the soviet Krechet-94 lunar suit backpack is also a rather complicated looking affair....
Well, if you wanted to stray from the Well's 1898 version of the War and Martians, you could have the Martians actually being general AI enabled robots, which survived as the Martian climate declined and the biological Martians died out. (I am fudging the timeline, the actual Martian environment declined billions of years ago). The robots would not have to look like our anthropomorphic versions, but could be quite different.
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Interesting little bit of trivia:Correct! Mariner 4 did a fly by and measured the atmospheric density by radio occultation. Reduced the estimate of the atmospheric density by roughly 90%. That upended plans to use solely oversized parachutes to land spacecraft on Mars. Along with the photos showing craters on the surface, it drastically revised the somewhat romantic vision of Mars with canals and vegetation.
Mariner 2 flew by Venus earlier and the radiometer measured temperature put an end to that as a possible habitat for life, as well.
But, if this is an "alternative" game, one can just go with the prior 1950's notion of Mars. Disney and VonBraun, along with Chesley Bonestell created and alternative vision of the solar system and its exploration. The 1950's vision was far different from the reality of what happened historically.
I should mention that there was a short lived US television series in 1959 (Men into Space) which tried a fairly realistic picture of the near future of space exploration.
Men into Space - Wikipedia
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And I've attached an advertising poster from the show. It incorporated some of the Von Braun plans for space exploration and had decent effects and models for the late 1950's era it was made in.
For an exhaustive and extremely well researched history of the early Russian Space developments, I highly recommend Asif Siddiqui's "Sputnik and the Soviet Space Challenge".
While that is a most interesting idea, I would quite like to stick to the OG source material, if thats alright. I had the idea that I could use the fact that mars had an ice age up to about 400,000 years ago, so perhaps the martians had to endure this ice age, but when the ice age finished, much of the water became locked at the poles under sheets of ice. While there was enough water at the equator to sustain another 200,000 years, but when this all dries up and mars under goes desertification. This then spurs the martians to construct their great canal network, to irrigate the whole planet, and transport the water from pole to pole. This is successful right up to about 1800, when at last the meltwater from the poles grows too exhausted for the canals to function properly. This then spurs on the martians to start considering the invasion of earth as a viable option, as to the survival of their race.
I completely forgot about the crystal egg, lol. That could definitely be a good source, as could that paper you speak of, I must give them a read at some point.
perhaps, I meant it would be a shame if there wasn't at least one pyramid on mars.
That would be a very interesting thing to look at, that, thank you. And some tremendously good points. But perhaps, for some more direct lore, some inspiration can be taken from the 1998 Jeff Wayne War of the Worlds RTS game, which featured some cutscenes that actually show the martian side of things.
so, about some 5000 years ago for us, the selenites experience a tremendous and cataclysmic extinction event which they call "the Great Ending". Caused by increased solar activity stripping the moon of what little atmosphere the moon had left, and the moons core cooling causing the internal temperatures to massively drop, causing a huge extinction among the selenites, equivalent to the Black Death in our own history, where a species of some 4 million goes down to just 5-7000 left. To make matters worse, one of their primary food sources, the Great Lake, freezes over, causing starvation among those left, causing their numbers to dwindle further.
most helpful indeed, that RAF dark blue sure looks good on anything doesn't it? What about the selenite lore I just posted?
Not bad, there litte details to change, but it work. (if have time i will drawn it and post here )
we have here section with British space Suits and flight suits:
be patient, i have dig into Selenite culture in Wells novel,
fair enough, what about the flight suits redesign?
here my version of Flight suit
Wowzer's man, I must say you've done a cracking job right there! Very good sketching! However, the sketch I made was more the BIC's version of the Apollo Liquid Cooling Garment, and the other layers of the A7L suits, to reconstitute the layers that the BIC suit is missing (which is a lot).here my version of Flight suit
it solve some issue like position of certain bags and pockets
and offer better access to Maps and Mission papers also give classic pocket Knife
by the way how much atmosphere is left on Moon in story ?
As Michel already asked above, what is your postulation of the imaginary lunar atmosphere in terms of chemical composition, ground zero pressure, and surface temperature for your hypothetical scenario, since these factors are main drivers for your fictional lunar suit design? I assume the suits will be mostly used on average ground (for lack of sea) level, unless you consider excursions to say the top of Mons Huygens or the Selenean Summit on the far side? Are there any clouds, fog, haze, drizzle, rain, hail, snow, sleet, thunderstorms, clear sky lightning, blizzards, tornadoes, hurricanes, potentially abrasive/electrically charged dust/sand storms, or any other notable weather phenomena occurring in your alternate reality lunar atmosphere? If you want to postulate a certain atmospheric composition to fit your fiction, that's fine, as long as you stay within plausible parameters, taking the lower lunar gravity (which I assume stays constant at the current value dictated by the Moon's geometry as well as physical laws and geological composition) and the fixed solar ground insolation (potential lunar weather phenomena as noted above nothwithstanding) into account, but you'll have to define those unless you're simply good with something that just "looks steampunky cool", in which case really anything goes anyway. Quite honestly though, I think obsessing about insignia would at this point be the least of your worries...
The british did produce a pressure suit,the windak,tho sadly it saw more use as a prop in various tv and movie productions,ironically this is what the astronauts are wearing in the movie version of the first men in the moon.
I've seen *way* worse contemporary prop efforts on screen, actual lack of use in a representative environment notwithstanding. It has a lot more logical engineering features that any number of other cheap international 60's scifi productions ...The british did produce a pressure suit,the windak,tho sadly it saw more use as a prop in various tv and movie productions,ironically this is what the astronauts are wearing in the movie version of the first men in the moon.
https://sayhellospaceman.blogspot.com/search/label/Windak
Well, on the surface, owing to the higher amount of volcanic activity on the moon at this time, "mists" of carbon and sulphur dioxides, linger yet on the moon's surface. According to AC Clarke's "the exploration of the moon", many experienced observers had reported similar "mists" and obscurations on the surface. So, surface pressure would probably be so negligible as to be almost non-existent, but its just enough for the heavier gases to settle in clouds on the surface (I'm not entirely sure at what pressure this would occur, and I think the book's not really sure either lol).
Best of luck then with your intrepid independent media endeavor, my kind Sir! As long as you keep the heroes mustaches firmly twirled, you should have a decent shot at internet 15 second fame...
They had a long successful career with probably their last appearance being in return of the jedi,they were in all 3 of the original star wars films,its likely that the windaks white vest was the inspiration for the white vest thats part of the x-wing pilots flight suit.
why thank you kind sir, I do hope that such measurements and estimations are up to scratch?
those are some interesting suits to say the least, I can definitely see some of Leonov's suit influencing their design a bitThey had a long successful career with probably their last appearance being in return of the jedi,they were in all 3 of the original star wars films,its likely that the windaks white vest was the inspiration for the white vest thats part of the x-wing pilots flight suit.
Theres a soviet production,moon rainbow,that used actual eva helmets [yastrebs I think] as prop helmets for the spacesuits
The world of prop spacesuits is a very interesting one.
My apologies - by original specialization, I'm a space vehicle engineer, not a space suit one...
I see, well I believe I have a couple areas you could help me with....
I could likely help you with any questions pertaining to the actual real life environment on the Moon, but scientifically defensible speculations on alternative conditions that might be conducive to any form of (sub)surface life are completely outside my wheelhouse.
thats fair, the other aspects I was considering your help on, is A) the interiors of the spacecraft and such forth, and the design of a moon-tank I had the idea for?
For starters, in order to even begin to define any craft or vehicle, you have to lay out qualitative and quantitative mission requirements, e.g. number of crew, mission duration, delta-v/surface range, etc., as well as the underlying technology heritage and development level and associated maturity (see e.g. https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/s...vigation-program/technology-readiness-levels/) first. Actually, in my own humble opinion, that scale should be extended downwards to TRL 0, which would be defined as "Basic principles postulated".
well, for the glider, the BIS glider should be fairly self-explanatory. A 2-man shuttle to orbit, sort of like the gemini capsules of old. Supplies and equipment for about 2 weeks maximum in orbit. A role similar to Von Braun's Ferry rocket, in operation at the same time, only on a smaller scale. Tech maturity level would be about on par with fighter jets and bombers of the time, so largely manual controls.
here my version of Flight suit
it solve some issue like position of certain bags and pockets
and offer better access to Maps and Mission papers also give classic pocket Knife
by the way how much atmosphere is left on Moon in story ?
Not really, since there are absolutely no associated quantitative data provided. But even on a purely qualitative level, your first illustration of the return glider already raises a fundamental philosophical question - do you want the system concepts to be technically plausible or just aesthetically pleasing, since the sharp nose would be an engineering no go for a vertically launched reentry vehicle due to aerothermodynamic heating considerations. Likewise, large rounded transparent domes on surface vehicles are questionable at best - something like the ISS cupola or an armoured vehicle turret design would be more plausible, due to both potential damage risk as well as cabin heating due to excessive insolation. And what would be the power source for the tank? A turbine would consume both fuel and oxidator, so electric propulsion, potentially solar powered, might be more appropriate.
